Do white people owe black people anything?

I still cant understand why the hell white people are racist after 400 years of Evil - a whole race of people being EVIL toward another race. Millions died in the most Evil ways for over 400 years... I mean: four HUNDRED years... Come on man, thats a damn long time!! Imagine what that means to modern black people with names like 'THOMAS'... that ain't a damn black name.. come on , white people! I love all people, but god damn, how can you guys still sit down in front of your TVs every night and not do anything to help a race of people that you have damn near destroyed... OK, CALM DOWN, I know it's not you personally the facts are that black people are still suffering the effects of 400 years of slavery and all the responsible white people are dead or dying then I'm sorry man but surely someone, somewhere has to shoulder some kind of responsibility - even if it is just to stop the racism (some blatant, some more subtle) that is found in all four corners of the press %26amp; daily society?

Do white people owe black people anything?
Black people today are not feeling the effects of what happened during their Grandfathers era. There are more social programs from minorities than there are for White Men. Black have more opportunity for advancement and more opportunity to attend college than most white people. Look at the scholarships available today, most are for minorities or gays. I am not holding the Black Man down, I do not owe anybody anything. There is no free lunch, go out and work and make yourself better. Don't expect me to help, but I won't stand in your way neither.
Reply:This is nothing we are proud of. Its a part of history we had no hand in. But I seriously cant understand what we are supposed to do to make it up to the black american of today, except maybe pay for you to be brought back to your original land, and honestly, do you want that?


I hate the fact that we, white americans, are taking all the blame for this. If you want to relive the history of it, go back all the way to where it started and who started it. It wasnt right, but its not fair to blame one group for all of it.





Slaves in Babylon: 18th century BC





Slaves in Greece: from the 7th century BC


Both the leading states of Greece - Sparta and Athens - depend entirely upon forced labour, though the system in Sparta is more properly described as serfdom rather than slavery. The first civilization in which we know a great deal about the role of slaves is that of ancient Greece.





Slaves in Rome: from the second century BC


In the two centuries before the beginning of the empire (the last two centuries BC) slaves are employed by Romans more widely than ever before and probably with greater brutality.





Slaves in the Middle Ages: 6th - 15th century AD


In the period after the collapse of the Roman empire in the west, slavery continues in the countries around the Mediterranean. More than anywhere else, the Mediterranean provides the geographical and economic environment to encourage a slave trade.


During the eastward expansion of the Germans in the 10th century so many Slavs are captured that their racial name becomes the generic term for a 'slave'. At the same period the delivery of slaves to the Black Sea region is an important part of the early economy of Russia.


South of the Mediterranean, the dynasties of Arabs along the coast stimulate an African slave trade. The town of Zawila develops in the Sahara in about AD 700 specifically as a trading station for slaves.





The Portuguese slave trade: 15th - 17th century AD


The Portuguese expeditions of the 15th century bring European ships for the first time into regular contact with sub-Saharan Africa. This region has long been the source of slaves for the route through the Sahara to the Mediterranean. The Portuguese enforce a monopoly of the transport of African slaves to their own colony of Brazil.


By the 18th century the majority of the ships carrying out this appalling commerce are British. They waste no part of their journey, having evolved the procedure known as the triangular trade.


Triangular trade: 18th century AD


Ships depart from Liverpool or Bristol with items in demand in west Africa - these include firearms, alcohol (particularly rum), cotton goods, metal trinkets and beads. The goods are eagerly awaited by traders in ports around the Gulf of Guinea. These traders have slaves on offer, captured in the African interior and now awaiting transport to America.
Reply:I'm white, I don't feel I owe anything to anyone because of what my ancestors choose to do. I don't feel that I am racist, but I do see many people of different races doing the sterotypical things that almost define the sterotypes. I wish the whole race issues would go away, but I think blacks are just as much to blame for keeping the problem alive as whites are. What kind of help are you looking for anyway. How does the persecuation of your ancestors affect you now anyways.
Reply:well, slavery was race-blind for pretty much all of human history until the 18th century when a few whites began selectively enslaving large numbers of africans. throughout antiquity whites enslaved whites, africans enslaved fellow africans, asians enslaved asians, etc. slavery is bad, we all agree. but owing people for the transgressions of previous generations when the world was dramatically different is a cycle that once initiated, won't end. best to appreciate that living in a modern, first world country sure beats living in a third world hell. God works in mysterious ways
Reply:white people dont really owe black people anything. slavery was abolished 200 years ago and theres not much elsewhite people can do- there is afirmative action in the US but it still does'nt really help considering there are a lot of black people , as you said, "suffering the effects" buy not of slavery of racism. the only thing that white people can do is not be racist which is apparently beyond many white people.
Reply:can i just say get over yourself i am not a racist person but your just trying to be a pain and making a big deal out of something that happened years and years ago


yes it was bad yes no one is proud of it but in the end what's done is done anyway look at what good has come of it we are all learning to all get along and racism has cut down a hell of alot so just be glad that slavary has cut down alot
Reply:Your a mongo sunshine.
Reply:I don't feel that white people owe black people anything. Though I will say it seems that black people seem to get alot more help than white people do. If white people owe anyone it should be Native American Indians. Not black people. I am so sick of hearing black people whining about slavery. That was many, many years ago. And those that are whining about it weren't even around for slavery.
Reply:im black and you are very racist there are many black people like you blame the white men for everything. black people did not only go through races issues
Reply:ok.
Reply:I wasn´t there and had nothing to do with any racist stuff.





with out the white man the blacks would still be living in caves eating bugs, shaggging monkeys and chasing gazelles. In fact they would probably be exstinkt because of AIDS.
Reply:I have come to find out that the older generation of black people that were alive during the times that they couldn't eat with whites or drink out of the same water fountains do not seem to hold a grudge towards white people. They are some of the most kind-hearted people you will ever meet. Although, the younger generation that has always had rights and never been discriminated against are the ones that want to blame white people who were not even born in that time either. My theory on this is the black history month and all of the crap they are hearing in history class just elevates the hatred towards the white race and society should just quit making a big deal out of it because it's OVER AND DONE WITH and nobody can change the past so just GET OVER IT!
Reply:What's next? Are we going to have to apologize for the Crusades? We are a blame based society and it's sad really. It encourages people to see themselves as victims and rewards them for it.
Reply:wow....although there is some truth in what you are saying, but it doesn't sound like you love all people to me.


Focus on loving yourself first, loving your fellow black man second and then you can develop a forgiving heart for the so called "wrongs" of white folks.
Reply:They did ONCE---but we've WAY overpaid!
Reply:Anybody can be racist not just "white people."We are all the same whether were black, white, Mexican,or any other race.I do agree that we should payback black people for what we have done in the past too.To give them respect they deserve and treat everybody the same way also.
Reply:WHats done is done - sounds to me like you've got a chip on your shoulder about something long gone and which we can do nothing to change. If people are gonna dwell on the past like you - we will never be rid of racism xx
Reply:black people are more racists to one another then white are to black. black tribes were enslaving other black tribes before we even got there. and Finlay did we ask them to come to this country and bomb our trains and buses or to be the main people who cause crime? no and everything iv said is fact
Reply:Yes, it was horrific what was done to them. But look what they have overcome. They have the same rights as I do, and opportunities to live their live the same way that I do and I do not consider myself superior to them. To me, the only difference between me and them is skin color. I am not a racist and one of the things that can piss me off more than anything is to hear someone disrespect them by calling them that vile n word. I wish the racism would stop also, but the racism occurs not only with white people but with any type of race out there. I do not judge anyone based upon the color of their skin, but upon what kind of person the individual is and what kind of attitude they have. Therefore, I do not think that I owe them anything except for respect.
Reply:I support your anti-racist views and I understand the evils of slavery. I think you are right to ask for some kind of apology. The slave trade was (and still is) totally wrong and inhuman. Most sane and reasonable should agree about that. I have no idea if any of my ancestors were involved in the trade, but I'm genuinely sorry that the slave trade happened.





As a general statement, do white people owe black people anything? If you mean financial, then no, I don't think so. If we just take the UK and British Empire. The world view was different at the time, with Africans very firmly at the base of the hierarchy. If compensation was going, yes, the Africans would be the first in line. After that though, who would be next? Many thousands of white people, British subjects were sold into a form of slavery called indentured servitude. This happen to people in debt or even prisoners of war during the English civil war. So, are their descendants to be traced and compensated? What about the treatment of the Irish Catholics, the million and a half that died during the Great Potato Famine of the 1840s, and the other million or so that was forced to emigrate? What about the Highland Clearances? Then let’s take the rest of the Empire into consideration. India and Pakistan? Palestine and Israel?





The point is, not where compensation starts. Where does it end? The British Empire did many ugly things to both its own people and to people from all around the world.





The duty of people is to realise that we are here, now. Let's do what we can to alleviate poverty and environmental degradation on this very small planet of ours. The sooner everybody realises that there is only one race: the human race, the better off we all shall be.
Reply:In all those 400 years you speak of, there were fewer black people killed than the number of white people killed by black people in one year.


You're still looking to white people to solve your problem. If black people ever get the courage to condemn their own people for their uncivilized behavior, the racial problem will disappear overnight.


It's not their skin color. It's their uncivilized behavior that people resent; and it's not only white people who resent them, it's most other races.


Why do black people pretend that it's only white people who are prejudiced against them, when most other races don't even pretend not to be prejudiced against them?


I lived among black people for many years and found them to be the most prejudiced people I have ever met.
Reply:Wow! I can't believe I am even answering this.


I am white, and I owe nothing to the black race. I am not racist. I regret any oppression that has happend to blacks, but I didn't cause or execute it, and never would. I do think of them as equals, and have many wonderful friends who are black. The ones that I know are quite smart, and have never mentioned that I owe them anything.





Actually, you sound a little more racist than anyone I have ever spoken with. What's your problem?
Reply:I don't owe anyone anything, except for the bank that has my mortgage.
Reply:we dont owe them nothing
Reply:Thank you Thank you Thank you.It is about time i heard from someone who knows what they are talking about and is not afraid to speak out about the impact of slavery on society today.As a white woman with mixed race children we have experienced the impact of racism that undermines the heart and souls of black people.People are still suffering because thier identities have been whipped from under their feet and they cannot trace their histories.Since slavery was abolished black people have struggled for equality and.White people will NEVER understand how barbaric things have been and continue to be for a lot of black people.They are in denial even when faced with truth.White people don't feel it so don't care.
Reply:we dont owe them anything!
Reply:You have a selective memory. How about when the blacks had the Jews for slaves to build their pyramids. Its all about how the blacks are repressed and held back. Nobody is holding you back but yourselves. You use slavery and poverty as an excuse to do nothing. You want to call women whores and the names you call each other is degrading. Rap sucks and is making stars out of thugs. Go ahead, blame the white man, I know that its not my fault. I believe it is your own.
Reply:I don't suffer from anything, so you don't speak for me.





My life is great.
Reply:These are people who have not allowed themselves to come into a more mature time.


I feel that there is fault on all sides, blacks don't like whites, whites don't like blacks, Asians don't like whites and whites don't like Asians.


The problem is, if everyone was the same color and the same religion and the same creed they would still find something to fight about.


Wake up people we are all on this little planet for life, so stop the crap.
Reply:no white people not owe black people anything.

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